Why is it that when someone disagrees with you Squidgy, immediately you think anyone that agrees with them is the same person. You did this before. Eddie makes some excellent points. You can choose to agree or disagree. But either way, have the manners and intellect to discuss the issues on that basis. To go around producing some paranoid theory that “they’re all the same person” as some triumphant proof that you’re right is, to be blunt, rather ignorant.

“This Is my last message in this topic.”

Good. Excellent. So hold your tongue and engage your brain!

And if you engage your brain you may be able to start thinking DEEPLY and LOGICALLY. And when, or if, that occurs you may, possibly, cease to vomit ridiculous meaningless mangled utterances like the following from your “last message in this topic”:

“your living by failing to excepting people will have different opinions”

“For everyone on this site that has a view I respect hugely for their view”

“You on the other I don’t respect not because you have a different view, (many other peoples and not actually your own)”

Learn to debate or stop doing it. People can see for themselves now (message 65) what you think of people who don’t share your views. Your not worth it. Funny that part of this subject is about dignity yet you show none to yourself while your living by failing to excepting people will have different opinions to yourself. For everyone on this site that has a view I respect hugely for their view, they may differ from mine but thats what its about. You on the other I don’t respect not because you have a different view, (many other peoples and not actually your own) but because you can’t handle and won’t handle that anyone else may think differently to yourself.

If someone doesn’t agree with me so what, I respect that. That’s is what debate is all about. I like a challenge, I love debate, I love hearing all sides of the argument. What I don’t like is someone who can’t take it, becomes a bully and them shouts abuse and insults.

Seriously fella, I ain’t playing ya game now. I think differently. So what?! Like I said before, it doesn’t make you right nor me wrong. Deal with it.

This Is my last message in this topic.

By the way, nobody on these two threads has yet written that Ray Gosling is a bloody good-looking seventy-year old, so I shall! I hope I look as good as that when I’m seventy!

How pathetic, Squidge. People who hold a view different from yours you lump together and dismiss. You’re laughable AND you’re clearly tunnel-visioned and thick-headed. No, that’s not insulting you, though no doubt you will feel your dignity has been attacked. It’s simply making a judgement based upon your many posts and your inability to see beyond your own limited experience.

Very predictable

RobN was right, thats a typical Labour ploy. Who gave you the right to be in charge. Who gave you the right to bully others just because they think differently from you. Your way is a very communist attitude so yes, Labour must love you.

You have just proved that you have no knowledge of how to debate. You have to be nasty because others think differently. You truly are a boring individual.

If everybody thought the same as you would have us, man it would be a bloody boring ol world. Personally I like variety, opinions, strong minded people. True arguments don’t end with insult.

When people feel the need to insult others because of their opinions, it is a classic case of you have lost the argument. Your very weak and not worthy of any more comments.

Gay liberation has not achieved the massive progress it has in the last fifty years because people backed down and shut up when the negative, pessimistic, nay-sayers started up their vociferous blather.

No Eddy, you don’t need to tell me, giving me examples, nurses don’t need to be patronised by little oiks like you, we’re not blind. You clearly think you know it all, so who am I to argue with you, frankly your boring.

You will not change my mind. End of. Guess thats how the mind works. Or prehaps you need a lesson (from someone who knows)in that too. I came on because I Have seen, and very importantly, even though you will ignore this again, It IS Your right to a living will doing what you want. There, repeating myself for you. I just don’t HAPPEN to AGREE with it. I really don’t see why that should be a problem to you. Do people not agreeing threaten you in some way? Still if insulting people is your way then all I can say is, you must be very lonely.

Hmm. Must be a woman then…

I found the link for people: http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_8517000/8517590.stm

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Seems a pretty legit reason for admitting what he’d done. He’s honestly emotional there and he’d be a worse person if he was a ‘traitor’ and made a film about it without admitting it himself. I don’t like his attitude to the interviewer though, but.. I guess this is more than that. Interesting what he said about the doctors

Personally I don’t know enough to really judge but if people are worried about euthanasia being abused can’t there be better restrictions. It’s gonna happen either way and ppls loved ones are going to be punished for it. If someone agrees to an authority and has a signal or something.. surely that’d mean less abuse than no regulation/way out at all.
Sorry if this wasn’t too coherent, I’m multitasking.

Let me paint a couple of pictures for you of a very different loved one who is dying. Both are true. I have had experience of both.

1. He has been constantly coughing for six weeks. By “constantly” I mean coughing every five to ten seconds, non-stop. His throat is in an inflamed mess. His voice is rasping because of the state of his throat. At night he takes over-large doses of cough syrup to try and shut down the coughing in order to get a little sleep. Doctors say they can offer him nothing else. At the same time he has lost a great deal of weight. He has lost his appetite. He doesn’t have the desire to eat. His feet are swollen to an enormous size and for some reason they itch uncontrollably. He wants you to rub them and scratch them for him ceaselessly but you can’t or they would become raw. This is a man who is dying in an awful way. Some people die quietly, lying in a bed, hardly aware, and weak, drugged by morphine. This is not this man’s situation. He wants an end to it. It’s unbearable for him.

2. She is simply very old and unfortunately riddled with very serious arthritis. Every joint in her body aches with excruciating pain. A sheet lightly pulled across her skin feels like a tiger’s claw being hauled through her flesh. The doctors administer morphine every time she begins to call out in her agony. But sometimes this old woman can barely summon up the strength to call out, and so she suffers horribly until the pain increases to such a level where she shrieks and if she’s lucky a nurse happens to be near and happens to have the time to fetch an orderly to go to the other side of the hospital to get another quantity of a drug that helps to relieve such exceptional pain. This cycles goes on and on. When the drugs hit her system she fades into a state where she is barely aware of the people around her. Her family visit but she is “out of it”, she doesn’t know they are there. She’s not just lying in a bed, reasonably comfortable, seeing people for the last time, and stoically waiting for the moment when her heart beats its last. No, she’s in agony. And she doesn’t want this.

Do you begin to see, Squidgy?

If we are humane and civilised we cannot stand by and not mercifully end such people’s suffering WHEN THOSE PEOPLE HAVE PREVIOUSLY ASKED US TO TAKE ACTION IN SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES.

Don’t do what you can’t handle.

It seems I have to apologise to you as you think IM shallow and pathetic from seeing someone I loved with all my heart die painfully yes but from a different prospective that he want to live every day. Living through that and helping other dying people be comfortable is hardly shallow nor pathetic. I’d like to see you cope.

It’s been 6 years since my partner died and I never will forget his courage, his determination for life. And it seems for that because I see things differently I have to be insulted.

Think that says it all about you Eddy. How very sad but cheers anyway.

There is no way one could equate a dog with a human being, but nobody really bats an eyelid when they have an animal put down,
but I do see strong parallels.

Somehow, some seem to think that there is a scenario where Granny is going ga-ga, and we could do with selling her house, so let’s have her ‘put down’. Apparently, in most cases, doctors claim it’s the families pleading with the doctors NOT to switch off life support systems in the vain hope that there may be some change.

On the flip-side, our country is fast becoming overburdened with old people incapable of looking after themselves, children that don’t want them, and a state that can’t afford to care for them.

Much that I totally understand both sides of the argument, it is going to have to be a VERY strict set of rules to govern euthanasia and assisted deaths.

Oh, and please stop using the term “assisted suicide”, I’m sure these people would want to live if their lives were worth living. It is not suicide, it is merely accelerating the inevitable.

“I’m not afraid of dying – I just don’t want to be around when it happens.” – Woody Allen