Comments on: Comment: A Gay Council of Britain? http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/ -Gay News (UK and world) from Pink News - all the gay news for the lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered community in the UK and beyond- thegaynews from Pink News Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:33:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Paul http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-69671 Paul Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:18:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-69671 The Muslim Counsel is based on the idea that a group follow a religion and a general set of beliefs - so the assumption is that the majority will be able to relate to the counsel. But obviously this doesn't work in reality. It makes you wonder why we'd even want it. Gay isn't a religion or belief system either. Opinion and life styles within the gay community are very diverse. Being gay does not imply that such persons would all have a similar outlook on life. Let's just stick to the way we're doing it now since pride marches, activism and protests seem to be working to tackle the key problem, discrimination. The Muslim Counsel is based on the idea that a group follow a religion and a general set of beliefs – so the assumption is that the majority will be able to relate to the counsel.

But obviously this doesn't work in reality. It makes you wonder why we'd even want it. Gay isn't a religion or belief system either. Opinion and life styles within the gay community are very diverse. Being gay does not imply that such persons would all have a similar outlook on life.

Let's just stick to the way we're doing it now since pride marches, activism and protests seem to be working to tackle the key problem, discrimination.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-66975 Brian Burton Sat, 08 Aug 2009 07:24:11 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-66975 Adrian T. I second that. Michael was probably one of the hard workers he mentioned! Adrian T. I second that. Michael was probably one of the hard workers he mentioned!

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]]> By: AdrianT http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-66767 AdrianT Fri, 07 Aug 2009 08:00:40 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-66767 'michael' in post 24 hits the nail on the head :-) 'michael' in post 24 hits the nail on the head :-)

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]]> By: Isabel http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-66492 Isabel Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:56:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-66492 I think this is a great idea! I think this is a great idea!

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]]> By: mike http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65918 mike Mon, 03 Aug 2009 08:20:08 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65918 Abi, your criticisms of Stonewall are undermined when you say they rely on government funding. Less than 10 per cent of its funding comes from government(s). The vast bulk comes from individual LGB people who choose to fund them. No one forces them to. Abi, your criticisms of Stonewall are undermined when you say they rely on government funding. Less than 10 per cent of its funding comes from government(s). The vast bulk comes from individual LGB people who choose to fund them. No one forces them to.

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]]> By: Benji Starr http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65692 Benji Starr Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:11:32 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65692 @Liam: The Q stands for Queer. @Liam: The Q stands for Queer.

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]]> By: Jay http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65690 Jay Sat, 01 Aug 2009 21:12:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65690 In the southwest is an organisation called the Intercom Trust. They took upon themself the mantel of being the regional south west representional body for gay people ...They then took thirty pieces of silver in funding from the government(actually hundreds of thousands of pounds in funding)and promptly set about defending those very organisations & institutions which have (and still do) prejudice against gay persons. Turning upon local gay people in the process. The best homophobic anti-gay gaff by LGBT Intercom Trust was to condemn the paintings of much admired Cornwall based artist Henry Scott Tuke RA as pedophilia & unfit for an LGBT history project in Cornwall...just after Falmouth University named a prestigious new building after Tuke & just after the Daily Mail (not known for being gay supportive)had been promoting the largest exhibition of Tukes works at Truro County Museum, with Tuke works lent by Sir Elton John, Cornwall Council & other notable museums, supported by Bonhams. No, we do not need A Gay Council Because if its anything like the LGBT Intercom Trust it would be more likely to start to campaign for the recriminalisation of homosexuality. Stonewall has become bad enough thank you In the southwest is an organisation called the Intercom Trust.

They took upon themself the mantel of being the regional south west representional body for gay people

…They then took thirty pieces of silver in funding from the government(actually hundreds of thousands of pounds in funding)and promptly set about defending those very organisations & institutions which have (and still do) prejudice against gay persons. Turning upon local gay people in the process.

The best homophobic anti-gay gaff by LGBT Intercom Trust was to condemn the paintings of much admired Cornwall based artist Henry Scott Tuke RA as pedophilia & unfit for an LGBT history project in Cornwall…just after Falmouth University named a prestigious new building after Tuke & just after the Daily Mail (not known for being gay supportive)had been promoting the largest exhibition of Tukes works at Truro County Museum, with Tuke works lent by Sir Elton John, Cornwall Council & other notable museums, supported by Bonhams.

No, we do not need A Gay Council

Because if its anything like the LGBT Intercom Trust it would be more likely to start to campaign for the recriminalisation of homosexuality.

Stonewall has become bad enough thank you

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]]> By: Jay http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65687 Jay Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:21:11 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65687 Even gay people don't know what LGBTQI means so I think LGB/LGBT or just gay would do. I personally don't see why gay and trans should be lumped together though, it's so outdated!!!! Even gay people don't know what LGBTQI means so I think LGB/LGBT or just gay would do. I personally don't see why gay and trans should be lumped together though, it's so outdated!!!!

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]]> By: Craig http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65670 Craig Sat, 01 Aug 2009 15:06:42 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65670 The gay Council of Britain could be the main representative umbrella body with all sorts of affiliated national, regional and local organizations. It could pledge to work for the common good of society as a whole; encouraging individual LGBTQI’s and LGBTQI’s organisations to play a full and participatory role in public life. It could promote cooperation, consensus and unity on LGBTQI affairs across the UK and encourage and strengthen all existing efforts being made for the benefit of the LGBTQI community. It could work for a more enlightened appreciation of the LGBTQI communities in the wider society and establish a position for the LGBTQI communities within British society that is fair and based on due rights. It could work for the eradication of disadvantages and forms of discrimination faced by the LGBTQI communities. The gay Council of Britain could be the main representative umbrella body with all sorts of affiliated national, regional and local organizations. It could pledge to work for the common good of society as a whole; encouraging individual LGBTQI’s and LGBTQI’s organisations to play a full and participatory role in public life.

It could promote cooperation, consensus and unity on LGBTQI affairs across the UK and encourage and strengthen all existing efforts being made for the benefit of the LGBTQI community. It could work for a more enlightened appreciation of the LGBTQI communities in the wider society and establish a position for the LGBTQI communities within British society that is fair and based on due rights. It could work for the eradication of disadvantages and forms of discrimination faced by the LGBTQI communities.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65595 Brian Burton Sat, 01 Aug 2009 05:27:20 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65595 Dana, You seem to have found a Mombian Utopia (I hope it's true!) Any Map without Utopia marked on it is not worth looking at. Life is not complex. We are complex. Life is simple and the simple thing is the right thing. Dana,
You seem to have found a Mombian Utopia (I hope it's true!) Any Map without Utopia marked on it is not worth looking at. Life is not complex. We are complex. Life is simple and the simple thing is the right thing.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65590 Brian Burton Sat, 01 Aug 2009 04:58:20 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65590 Craig, And all Comments are valid, even yours! Craig,
And all Comments are valid, even yours!

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]]> By: Dana http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65582 Dana Sat, 01 Aug 2009 02:12:21 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65582 Shouldn't it be called a "Witangaymot"? (Let's see who was paying attention in history class.) Shouldn't it be called a "Witangaymot"? (Let's see who was paying attention in history class.)

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]]> By: Bentham http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65580 Bentham Sat, 01 Aug 2009 01:24:54 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65580 Hi Craig (25): Call me a dummy, but am I correct in assuming that what you are implying is that the problem with free speech is that anybody can speak? Holy Democracy, Batman! Shut mah mouth!!! Hi Craig (25):

Call me a dummy, but am I correct in assuming that what you are implying is that the problem with free speech is that anybody can speak?

Holy Democracy, Batman! Shut mah mouth!!!

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]]> By: David Henry http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65571 David Henry Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:02:57 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65571 >A possible structure for the Council could have a main umbrella organization with subgroups for the individual separated groups. Doesn't that deaft the object Craig by dividing the community up into subgroups when many groups already exist that democratically represent the various parts of the LGBTQ community - such as the various LGBTQ Religious groups, NUS LGBT, Queer Youth Network, Schools out etc etc...? The LGBT Consortium is already doing all that this article suggestions. Any one can get involved I definitely recommend anyone out there who is keen on this council idea to get involved with them. >A possible structure for the Council could have a main umbrella organization with subgroups for the individual separated groups.

Doesn't that deaft the object Craig by dividing the community up into subgroups when many groups already exist that democratically represent the various parts of the LGBTQ community – such as the various LGBTQ Religious groups, NUS LGBT, Queer Youth Network, Schools out etc etc…?

The LGBT Consortium is already doing all that this article suggestions. Any one can get involved I definitely recommend anyone out there who is keen on this council idea to get involved with them.

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]]> By: Liam http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65543 Liam Fri, 31 Jul 2009 19:08:15 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65543 "The LGBTQI community" I for the life of me cannot think what the Q stands for... Nor the I for that matter... "The LGBTQI community"

I for the life of me cannot think what the Q stands for… Nor the I for that matter…

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]]> By: Craig http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65535 Craig Fri, 31 Jul 2009 18:14:59 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65535 The problem with these threads is “anybody” can make comments. The problem with these threads is “anybody” can make comments.

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]]> By: Brian Burton http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65517 Brian Burton Fri, 31 Jul 2009 15:52:37 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65517 I have read the threads looked and listened. It's like rolling Dice, will it come up Sixes or Snake-eyes?.....There are moments psychologists tell us, when the passion for change dominates our natures that all our instincts are filled with shall we or shall we not, fears of that surgested change. Thoughts can be a relentless torment in situations like this. Will the Yeas or the Nays have it....Time will tell! I have read the threads looked and listened. It's like rolling Dice, will it come up Sixes or Snake-eyes?…..There are moments psychologists tell us, when the passion for change dominates our natures that all our instincts are filled with shall we or shall we not, fears of that surgested change. Thoughts can be a relentless torment in situations like this. Will the Yeas or the Nays have it….Time will tell!

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]]> By: Craig http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65498 Craig Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:50:00 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65498 A possible structure for the Council could have a main umbrella organization with subgroups for the individual separated groups. A gay men’s group, a lesbians group, a trans group and so on and so forth. Having subgroups would stop infighting between the groups with the main body of the organization being able to concentrate on corporate responsibilities. A possible structure for the Council could have a main umbrella organization with subgroups for the individual separated groups.

A gay men’s group, a lesbians group, a trans group and so on and so forth. Having subgroups would stop infighting between the groups with the main body of the organization being able to concentrate on corporate responsibilities.

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]]> By: michael http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65474 michael Fri, 31 Jul 2009 11:46:34 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65474 Please let's NOT have a Gay Council or anything approaching it! There used to be a very hardworking, active and popular ('of the people') organization called the Campaign for Homosexual Equality. It had members from every walk of life, held local branch meetings in pretty well every city of any size throughout England and Wales. It fought equality issues with local councils (getting lesbian and gay books into libraries, sending members in to schools to talk to pupils, claiming the right to book public meeting places for its meetings) and members were for ever writing to local papers to take issue with local clergymen and other neighbourhood homophobes. There were no stars, just people working persistently for our rights. And THAT's what gives someone the right to speak out. Hard, unspectacular work. Then along came the smart clubs. Nobody wanted to do the hard slog any more - not when they could get laid, guaranteed, every Friday, Saturday or Sunday. Stonewall moved in, sold a (gifted) David Hockney, and with its seven-figure budget privatized gay politics. We let them! So too late to complain about their preposterous claims to speak for lesbian and gay people. Peter T gets quoted because he puts in the work. You can't blame him for being a one-man band unless you've similarly been working hard for years. Gay politics is there (and ripe) for plucking back from Stonewall - but only by hard workers. Please let's NOT have a Gay Council or anything approaching it! There used to be a very hardworking, active and popular ('of the people') organization called the Campaign for Homosexual Equality. It had members from every walk of life, held local branch meetings in pretty well every city of any size throughout England and Wales. It fought equality issues with local councils (getting lesbian and gay books into libraries, sending members in to schools to talk to pupils, claiming the right to book public meeting places for its meetings) and members were for ever writing to local papers to take issue with local clergymen and other neighbourhood homophobes. There were no stars, just people working persistently for our rights.
And THAT's what gives someone the right to speak out. Hard, unspectacular work.
Then along came the smart clubs. Nobody wanted to do the hard slog any more – not when they could get laid, guaranteed, every Friday, Saturday or Sunday.
Stonewall moved in, sold a (gifted) David Hockney, and with its seven-figure budget privatized gay politics. We let them! So too late to complain about their preposterous claims to speak for lesbian and gay people. Peter T gets quoted because he puts in the work. You can't blame him for being a one-man band unless you've similarly been working hard for years.
Gay politics is there (and ripe) for plucking back from Stonewall – but only by hard workers.

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]]> By: Benjamin Cohen http://www.thegaynews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html/comment-page-1/#comment-65462 Benjamin Cohen Fri, 31 Jul 2009 10:54:46 +0000 http://www.pinknews.co.uk/news/articles/2005-13501.html#comment-65462 Just a note. I used to be the young persons representative on the Jewish Board of Deputies. It has democratically elected representatives of synagogues (regardless of whether they are orthodox, reform, liberal etc), charities, students unions etc. Obviously most Jews don't actually vote for it, but you can if you want (assuming you belong to one of the organisations) Just a note. I used to be the young persons representative on the Jewish Board of Deputies. It has democratically elected representatives of synagogues (regardless of whether they are orthodox, reform, liberal etc), charities, students unions etc. Obviously most Jews don't actually vote for it, but you can if you want (assuming you belong to one of the organisations)

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