I think that you probably are and, whilst it might be a wee bit embarrassing to admit it now after you’ve been making such a fuss, you’ll probably look back at it in a couple of years time and have a bit of a laugh at yourself , in just the same was a some of us are laughing at you right now.

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Ha Ha Ha…. I love it.

Your pathetic!

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To all the 'voices' that appear when twisted sisters needs 'support' for her mudslinging, including the latest, a retarded retread named slick willie, aka Will, aka Wsilliam, aka William of Dublin (Ohio) aka the Dunce – it won't work. You’ve tried it dozens of times and we’re still here.

What’s on trial here are the usual suspect associated with the rightwing politics of the Tories – racism, homobigotry, racist islamophobia, and the putrid misogyny exemplified by twisted sisters disgusting remarks.

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Will, thank you your postings. I did as your said and checked Google for that organisation and sure enough, Bill Perdue seems to be the main and only protagonist of that particular group. What a curious little chap he must be. You're right, despite leanings into extreme right or left politics (I'm not sure which yet) there is no website for him or his organisation, although he seems to go by many names. My research has thrown up he also goes by Donal (his email address is @hotmail.com">donal1944@hotmail.com appears linked with this Rainbowred thing).

Either way, he does not seem to be a savoury, or indeed sane character, and we are probably better off without him on our side.

And chance Bill you can enlightens as to your purpose with your rainbowred organisation?

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The article has been written from a very defensive position. I have always taken the view that minorities, whether that be through sexual orientation or through ethnicity, need to ditch this victim mentality (this is the point where a couple of individuals usually jump on me). If we can others to view us as equal, then we need to view ourselves as equal.

When I read the original article of here (as a black homosexual) I didn’t interpret anything negative from the fact that the voting stats where being analysed by among other things ethnicity, in fact I think it is positive, as previously posted because it enables US to identify where work is needed to educate the community. The variance in voting preference between the Afro-American and white communities is significant and, whilst they were a minority voting group, 7% is considered to be statistically significant. There are a number of reasons for this, as I and others have previously posted.

Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton never would have won the presidency without the near universal support of African Americans. Al Gore never would have won the popular vote in 2000 without the help of black voters. In this election like in those before the black community attempted to vote the Republicans out. The gay community did exactly the same as they have done previously. An extra boost to get both communities to the polls was a very real chance of success. A further boost, particularly to the black community was that the candidate was a member of their own community.

Rather than getting into a slagging match about whose fault it is and why, time would be better served by working with the black communities to bring about a better understanding amongst those communities of why equality is important to us.

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What the story showed is that there is work to do still amongst the black community around the issue of gay equality. I never did, and still don’t think its racist to point that out.

I think what was happening there, was something that was repeated here by a few (okay – one anyway). The black community doesn't seem to get its head around the fact that you can be both black and gay. The black community makes reference to the gay community and as well the gay community refers to the black community. What everyone overlooks is that there is crossover – gays amongst the black community and blacks amongst the gay community. Emphasising that more may be the key to addressing the issue. Black people have in effect just voted away the rights of a sizeable number of their own community, and they have done so without even realising it.

Equally here there has been an assumption that the entire black vote went to the Democrats. I may be wrong, but my understanding was when all the business about sitting at the back of the bus was sorted out and we got the freedom to vote, we were allowed to stick a cross in whichever box we wished. I’m fairly sure that Condoleezza Rice didn’t vote Obama.

Market research is a tool used by every business to identify its market. To allow them to identify their core customers, who buys the product and who doesn’t. It can be an invaluable sales tool. From this research , it should be very clear now to the gay community where it needs to focus its message and where it needs to work hardest to bring about understanding and change.

In any civilised society we should be able to rise above suggestions of racism for acknowledging the reality that culture and ethnicity can have an impact on how we see the world and other people in it.

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We did hear once from a poster from the States that Bill is well known among gay organisations in the US for attacks on individuals iwho work there and that do not support his "communist cause". This was most enlightening.

At one stage I actually thought Bill was a bot, given all his posts, everywhere, are practically the same inane rants. His obvious displeasure at any independent thought or opinion, combined with a tenuous grasp on reality (indeed history as well), makes him a rather distasteful person indeed. May of us here have been at the brunt of his hateful attacks, backed up by Rob ex-pat… Sister Mary is a particular favourite of Perdue's insanity.

Either way, it seems his purpose in life is to agitate on gay sites in the hope of some 1917 styled gay proletarian uprising.

In one word: cookoo.

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I do, however, agree that this discussion is being hijacked by the "dictator" (assuming you refer to Perdue and his sidekick), and gay people need to stand up to aggressive and oppressive elements like this in our own community.

Flapjack, I think your comments are well made, thank you, and agree the steam has gone out of this "discussion" now that Perdue and EX-Pat have moved on to torment someone else.

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